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are meeting with the white house chief staff. john boehner is having some meetings with business leaders. meanwhile, the staff of the senate and the house and the white house are all meeting -- this purpose of avoiding the fiscal cliff which is now 35 days off or something. so first of all, two questions. how serious is it and what do you think is going to happen? >> it is potentially very serious that is if we hit the fiscal cliff and go over it and it stays in place. the deficit falls by $600 billion, the largest one-year reduction in history but will throw the economy back into a recession. unemployment will go from 7.9% currently to over 9%. i don't think that's going to happen. i do think we'll go over the cliff, not have a deal before it happens. i think it will be fixed shortly after this -- after they storm the castle with pitch forks and torches but this is potentially the worst fiscal policy since the end of the great depression when we went into an austerity program too early and threw the economy back i
, and norah. the president and house speaker john boehner spoke by phone over the weekend. top aides in the house and senate tell us that negotiations at this point are just taking place between the president's staff and speaker boehner's staff. that's because any deal that involves raising tax revenue is going to face its biggest challenge in the republican-led house. top republicans returning from thanksgiving recess urged the president to make the first offer in fiscal cliff negotiations. and they expressed a new openness to raising tax revenue, if democrats agree to make cuts to strengthen medicare and medicaid. >> elections come and go. and when they go the spirit to find common ground becomes greater. >> reporter: georgia republican saxby chambliss and mark warner lead the gang of eight. four senate democrats and four senate republicans, who originally met in 2007 to craft a plan to cut the debt. >> you still don't have a final product after 2 1/2 years. why do shud we have any confidence that the president and the leaders should get anything done i
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reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner, nancy pelosi will be serious. going over the cliff doesn't make any sense. >> we all remember the t.a.r.p. vote that you reference. that really didn't come to a resolution until the markets -- i would argue -- scared washington. i wonder how important you think that is this time? do stocks need to fall before the two sides really get committed at the table? >> that is a terrific question. that's the main question. in two days we lost 1,600 points in the markets. it took us a lot longer time to come back and recover. i sat there and stared defeat in the face. we can't do it now. the markets will respond to certainty. that's what congress needs to give american business and american people. certainty about taxes. certainty about spending in congress and certainty about our commitment to lower the debt. >> how do you argue that you are considering all elements of reform if in fact you're going to stick by the norquist pledge. is there anything wrong with as senator graham has said with saying i made that pledge back then but my job is to be a senator
obama and john boehner. here's how we finished the day on wall street, near the highs. up 105 points. 12,983. we'll have technicians looking at this day, seeing if it's a key reversal. the s&p also in positive territory. market driven by headlines and bluster out of washington. yep, that's what investors should expect short term. maybe until january 1st. should they also expect a rally any time soon? according to ryan dieterich, rally could most definitely be headed our way. >> he joins us now to explain along with peter anderson from congress asset management company. bill mcvail from turner investment partners and our very own rick santelli. peter, i have to begin with you. with a name like congress asset management, is congress going to come through for your assets? >> well, i wish i had an inside scoop on that, but unfortunately, we're also left to speculate at this point. but i will say this. what's incredible about this market is the way the market moved up today, it's an instant polling network that the government can use, actually, to kind of float trial balloons to us and get a
-- but hurry, the offer ends on. stuart: john boehner said he is optimistic that the fiscal cliff negotiations will speak successful. use the word optimistic. market coming back a little on that. as we told you earlier forbes saying that 11 states are in a death spiral. their words. don't buy house in the 11 states, don't invest in their municipal-bond. joiiing us from one of those states is scott kennedy in chicago, ill.. what do you make of that? >> i totally agree. i am not going to buy another house in this state ever again and as markets said, at some point we will run out of spending other people's money. we can support the maxes with the tax rate here and obamacare on top of that. we are in a death spiral and more people will be leaving the state. stuart: i think you are a lifelong illinois guy and you are saying you would never again buy house in this state? really? >> do you know what the real-estate taxes are here? astronomical land set to go higher so we are going to be taxing those who bought houses already. people are not going to buy any more but they can't rent either because no
out between president obama and john boehner. >> i guess so. because dick durbin himself has been confusing in what he's been saying publicly. on sunday he said sure medicare and medicaid can be part of the discussion. today he's giving a speech where it should not be part of the conversation. there this morning he's saying once we get into a room, we can start talking about it. and there are ways that i think liberals would agree to do medicare and medicaid. you know, if you're tinkering on the supplier side like, you know, say medical device companies or something, or reimporting drugs from canada, or allowing medicare to negotiate, or reduce price, or add a public option to health care reform. you know, that would save money. so there are things that democrats would do when it comes to entitlements that would save money. and maybe that's what dick durbin is talking about, but those are the exact opposite of the things that republicans would want to do when it comes to entitlements. so harry reid's strategy might be the easiest one. just say, look, this is not part of the conver
the debt limit unless forced to by john boehner. >> and by the way, john boehner is talking about having to get the majority of a majority on tax issues. he's not going to get a majority of majority on debt raising. >> much harder on the debt ceiling than taxes. >> that's what i'm saying. i refuse to vote to raise a debt ceiling when they were trying to raise it to $5 trillion. it's something you don't do unless you get a lot of cuts on the other side. >> and it's not a game. because if you don't raise it, we saw what happened last time, you can get your debt downgraded and has real economic consequenc consequences. and that's why when people think about the fiscal cliff, we all assume that sane minds will prevail and they'll come up with some deal. there's no guarantee that sane minds will prevail. and recent history would suggest that sanity almost never prevails in washington. so you can assume it's going to be more difficult than we think. you can assume that the bush tax cuts might all go away for a short period of time. and you cannot assume they just raise the debt limit. you cann
reporting the president obama and house speaker john boehner were talking over the weekend. connell: rich edson is on the story in d.c. rich: congressional and white house staff are still meeting. they last got together two weeks ago. congressional aide say they are still waiting for another invitation from the white house for the second meeting. two sources close to negotiations confirmed that tim geithner is the point man. he has been arguing there is too little revenue from simply closing tax reductions. republicans refused that approach. >> if you can simplify this tax code and make it more flat, eliminate all kinds of loopholes and gimmicks and actually increase revenue without raising the top marginal rate which most economists say would hurt this economy if we were to do it. rich: there is some discussion in washington about increasing it for a higher rate than what the president wants. the president wants it for $250,000 a year. a threshold will not make that much of a difference. raising the threshold to a half-million would mean 7 billion was to the treasury over the next decade
with john boehner this weekend and expressed confidence the deal can't be reached before the deadline. that's what most americans want. in the the latest poll. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should make to each other is to avoid. >> you signed it 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. the world has changed. >> joining me now is the man in the middle of this storm, grover norquist. grover, welcome to you. >> good to be with you. >> you can't comply on the bounty the mutiny has begun: >> it's funny to watch a senator or congressman who got himself elected by promising the citizen of his state that he would go to washington to reform government and not to pay taxes. when the going gets rough he wanted to debt ceiling increase. the same cast of chakts are turns in the homework for the second tyne two years later and there's not a snowball rolling. the good news is the people that gave a commitment to the american voters. for four years president obama has not reined in spending. all he did is demand $1.6 trillion of tax increase so he can spend more money, not
. >> brian: house democrats going along with maybe john boehner caucus to pass it. that is how divided it could be. it could cost them the house. when it's said and done and we're sitting here on december 31, emergency session of five five -- i'll be here in case of injury -- there will be sitting there saying this is deal we got to cut. we got to get the democrats to come along with republicans. >> dana: aside from politics i don't think enough people are talking about what is the right policy and the right answer and solution to get the economy going again? see that social security and medicare is saved for the next generation. >> eric: one quick point, can we as five or the con seventives, bob you should be interested in this, too. forget social security. we pay to the social security system. it's self-fulfilling. >> bob: they pay in medicare, too. >> eric: but we way with payroll and fica to social security. government raids social security. only reason that social security is on table they took $2 trillion we paid into it. >> bob: dana's question do you want transparency and grove
with the congressional leaders, john boehner, harry reid, mitch mcconnell, and out for thanksgiving solely today are people trying to get back starting to draw the battle lines a little bit. we seem to have burned three weeks which is time is of the essence. david: i'm thinking three years ago obamacare on christmas eve, will it come down to that? >> maybe new year's eve january january 1, mandattry spending cuts kick in on the second of january. you hit on a very important point. congress only ask when there is the gamut swinging over their heads. they often do this around christmas time. it is the final train leaving the station. finishing the christmas shopping and people start to get itchy, i compare it to stockholm syndrome. people are sweating it out after a while they start to sympathize. david: i was saying is it an either or? tax rates go up or you get in and of deductions for the wealthy, and he seemed to say both. we should have a cap of $25,000 cap on abductions and marginal tax rate go up. do you think the president will hold out for that? >> harry reid this afternoon was adamant,
between president obama and house speaker john boehner. now i just heard from a white house official that tom done house, the head of the u.s. chamber, john engler, the head of the business u.s. roundtable are in the white house today meeting with staff. there hasn't been a lot of negotiating progress. i still think there is a generally optimistic mood this will get done but we have a lot of hard bargains between now and the end of the year. >> one of the sort of controversial men in the middle here has been grover norquist, one of the few guys in washington who goes by his own name, grover. his first name, i should say. there are reports that some republicans who signed his no tax hike pledge are backing away from him. in the "wall street journal" saturday, he said, no, nobody's backed off. what's the truth here? >> well, he's wrong about that. they are backing away from him. but i have to say, tyler, this is an issue that's much bigger than grover norquist pcht republican party has staked out tax issue for a long time. it is not because of one individual and the pledge, although he
made over the weekend between president obama and house speaker john boehner so there hasn't been a lot of concrete progress, but there is total progress in terms of the mood that members take into this. over the weekend we heard republican senators, as you alluded to, larry, breaking the so-called grover norquist pledge against raising taxes and white house press secretary jay carney reacted positively. >> some of the comments you mentioned are welcome, and they represent what we hope is a difference in tone and approach to these problems and a recognition that a balanced approach to deficit reduction is the right approach. it's the one that's most beneficial for our economy. >> reporter: larry, what i would say is tax increases does not necessarily, despite the rhetoric on both sides, and especially from democrats, does not necessarily have to mean increases in tax rates. it is possible, if you look at the estate tax, if you look at the treatment of dividends, capital gains and carried interest and take a look at loopholes and deductions to raise a significant amount of revenue from p
are accelerating between president obama and top congressional leaders, including john boehner who was on the phone with the president over the weekend. the white house's pr campaign is being buoyed along by warren buffett who is voicing support for tax hikes for americans just like him. >> i think it would have a great effect in terms of the morale of the middle class who have seen themselves paying high payroll taxes, income taxes and then watched guys like me end up paying a rate that's below that, you know, paid by the people in my office. >> joining me now is wisconsin's republican senator ron johnson. senator, it's great to have you with us this morning. and as we talk about what's taking place in washington, d.c. right now, the million dollar question is all concerns around senators lindsey graham, saxby chambliss, congressman peter king among other republicans who said they'd be willing to break away from grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. will you say if you're willing to break that pledge in order to save the country from the fiscal cliff. >> hello, thomas. and first of all, i signed that
a structural deficit approaching a trillion dollars a year which is why i think even john boehner when he sits down, smart guy says i acknowledge we've got to do something on the revenue side. that's where i think grover norquist, not to make him the lightning rod is in a tight bientd because the numbers don't add up. that's where your argue really falls apart. >> i guess what i'm presenting more is the political picture that it's going to be -- not withstanding the assertion that it is 15% of gdp. where it should wind up, you can find a lot of conservatives who would say 15% of gdp is too much anyway but that's a separate argument. what i'm saying is politically it will be very, very tough on those republicans, other than the current ones who have announced they have sort of abandoned the pledge. these guys were doing it for the last couple of years anyway to. see the leadership in the republican house do it, they may wind up some challenges. the republican party in the house is used to having a coup d'etat. >> eliot: as a d
, the president and speaker boehner did talk on the phone on saturday. john harwood live in washington with the latest. john? >> carl, you know, the president and the speaker had a conversation over the weekend. there haven't been too many meetings at the staff level or the principals level. but there has been something that changed about the atmosphere post election. and what you've seen is more and more republicans coming out and being willing to say out loud they're willing to raise taxes of some kind. whether or not it's tax rates or tax revenue in a way they weren't willing to do in 2011 when john boehner and the president were negotiating an attempted grand bargain then. we saw one on the sunday shows over the weekend, that was lindsey graham of south carolina and then bob corker of tennessee. let's take a listen to their comments. >> i agree we shouldn't raise rates, but i think grover is wrong when it comes to we can't cap deductions and buy down debt. what do you do with the money? -- i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats wi
the opposite of the way they've negotiated inside with john boehner and others on past deals. >> yeah, the president feels he has very strong cards here and one of the strategies of the white house is that if we go over the cliff, if all those tax cuts are allowed to expire, the president has real ways to extract pain from the republicans. polls already show people are more likely to blame republicans and here's something very important. republican leaders know that. joe scarborough writes on politico right now that when eric cantor, the number two house republican was there on your set, that he noticed a different tone from him and seeing more and more signs of that as the week goes along, the republican leaders recognize that the president has an inaugural address, a state of the union address and a lot of high-profile ways to pin the blame on them and so today we have this remarkable movement position by tom cole, one of the most politically savvy republicans who told their whip team that they would be better off to cave, that they would be better off to give what he calls the earl
? and so if right now the question is how do you do that? well, john boehner went to the white house ten days ago and said, hey, republicans in the house are willing to 0 put revenues on the table. that was a big move, right? and we said we are going to do that in the name of trying to fix the problem to respond to the electorate that re-elected this president, but at the same time we say we weren't elected to raise taxes. we want to help people get back it to work. >> so is it safe to say there might be a scenario in which that pledge would not apply or would be put to the side for compromise? >> you know, mika, i haven't talked to grover norquist so i don't know what he wants to do with his pledge. what i know is the constituents that i represent and i believe most american people want to see, number one, more jobs created. and let me tell you a story that i think is relevant to this question. i was in montana during the campaign and i met a gentleman who had taken a job as a cook at an airport restaurant. and he told me, please fix this problem because i want to get back to my profess
and john boehner to bring their wings of the parties back in for any sort of a deal. because it seems like both sides are getting their back up at this point. >> well, i don't think it's making it more difficult, becky. i think what happens is at the beginning of a negotiation, everybody is sort of staking out their positions and their demands. you know, the demand by democrats, for example, that social security and medicare not be part of this discussion, that's not a sustainable demand. everybody knows that entitlement programs, the president has said so, have to be part of this. now, exactly what proportion and when they're part of it, those are things that you can talk about, but, no, they are part of this deal. so are tax increases, and, you know, republicans taking out the position that, well, we can't touch tax rates, we can touch tax loopholes, everybody's got to wait and see how the math adds up. this is an extremely complicated and difficult thing. >> i don't think -- i don't think it's well done to be negotiating in public like this because it only makes it more difficult. i wis
of that different tone. he talked to speaker boehner over the weekend by telephone. and today you've had two business leaders, john engler, tom donahue, in to meet with senior white house officials. they're trying to keep this going. aides on capitol hill tell me no substantive progress in negotiations just yet. they're just now getting back to work after thanksgiving. >> how does that make you feel about the market? does it make you feel like they have more kum-bi-ya going on in washington, d.c.? does it make you more willing to invest? >> i'll tell you what. i saw spielberg's "lincoln" over the weekend and it was incredible because it reminded me how nothing has changed on capitol hill. >> i agree with you 150%. >> in 150 years. >> don't you get tired of everybody saying, oh, washington is a mess right now. it's never been this bad. it's always been this bad. you see that in the movie. >> well, we had a civil war in the -- >> some say it's never been worse. it's been worse. >> go ahead, bill. do you think they can pull this off? >> the one thing it reminds us is you shouldn't bet on anythi
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